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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I haven’t used one before, but as I understand it, one nice feature
is that you do not necessarily have to fiddle with the dial to tune to the proper
frequency. The internal database has all of the relevant frequencies
pre-programmed so that you simply push a button to, say, tune in to the ATIS or
the tower freq of your destination airport. It helps to reduce workload. I
for one would rather not find myself once again approaching my destination at
night with a flashlight and an AFD trying to verify that I have the right pilot
controlled lighting freq dialed in. Not to mention it’s a better use of panel
real estate. IMHO, the fewer individual devices, the better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would love to see our plane equipped with a G430 or a KSN770, but
maybe it’s too soon to make any real decision in that area. The options we
have will largely depend on the particular aircraft we purchase. If we end up
with a plane that has functional GPS and radios, then maybe we’d be better
served by saving a $10K up-front hit and planning an upgrade in a year or two.
If the plane <i>is</i> in need of a new GPS or radio, then we’ll have something
to talk about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bob sent me some sample aircraft and I’m almost done putting
together the survey. I plan on finishing it by tomorrow evening. Hopefully we’ll
know more about 976 by then, but if not I think we have more than enough
information to send out the survey. Once we get some feedback regarding the
amount of money our members are willing to spend I think we’ll know if we’re
looking at an older 172, that beautiful Cardinal, or something in between.
Then we can start tossing around actual aircraft and evaluate the necessary
upgrades (including a GPS NAV/COM).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mike Lysik<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> eefc-core@workingcode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Garmin 430W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No
radio, but we could put new radios in if we're going this far...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Does
the 696 do the same as the 430 to make the plane an IRF platform?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:rhirving@verizon.net"
title="rhirving@verizon.net">Bob Irving</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:mike.lysik@comcast.net" title="mike.lysik@comcast.net">'Mike
Lysik'</a> ; <a href="mailto:eefc-core@workingcode.com"
title="eefc-core@workingcode.com">eefc-core@workingcode.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, April 09,
2009 8:05 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: Garmin 430W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For one thing….no radio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com">eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com</a>
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Lysik<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:eefc-core@workingcode.com">eefc-core@workingcode.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Garmin 430W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
guess I'll join in...I'm not an IFR rated pilot(but would use this plane to get
the ticket), so I really haven't had a chance to think about a 430. I've
done some looking around though. What about a Garmin 696? approx
$3300 with a larger screen. Does it do the same as the 430?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:williammccann@comcast.net"
title="williammccann@comcast.net">williammccann@comcast.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:carlsonj@workingcode.com" title="carlsonj@workingcode.com">James
Carlson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:eefc-core@workingcode.com" title="eefc-core@workingcode.com">eefc-core@workingcode.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, April 09,
2009 9:40 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: Garmin 430W<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Good morning ,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The Garmin 430
looks a little more intimadating than it actually is . I've read the same
reviews , but once you get familiar with the software, flight
planning,setting waypoints and loading approaches, it's easy.
Good point on the airways and the yearly data base.There wasn't too much
feedback on the Garmin ,so I didn't mention the subsciption. If it came in
a plane that we purchased outside of Eagle , it wouldn't be a bad thing.
I'm sure everybody has there wish list , but if nothing else it's good for
discussion.You can download the software if anybody's interested .Nice day to
go flying!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Bill Mc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>----- Original
Message -----<br>
From: "James Carlson" <carlsonj@workingcode.com><br>
To: "Bob Irving" <rhirving@verizon.net><br>
Cc: eefc-core@workingcode.com<br>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:13:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: Garmin 430W<br>
<br>
Bob Irving writes:<br>
> We didn't spend much time talking about Bill's idea of a Garmin 430 so I<br>
> thought we could discuss it here.<br>
> <br>
> I think we should strongly consider adding this to whatever we buy. If we<br>
> buy a plane with 1 bad radio, we <br>
> <br>
> Can replace it with the 430. at much greater cost than a radio, however.<br>
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Yes, agreed.<br>
<br>
For what it's worth, I've read reviews of the 430W that suggest that<br>
it's not terribly easy to use, due to the user interface and a lack of<br>
some key features (such as Victor airway routing). The 480 (around<br>
$3000 more) has a better user interface and features, but reportedly<br>
takes more time to learn to use.<br>
<br>
For around the same price, there's the KSN 770, which seems to have<br>
better specs.<br>
<br>
If we're going to shop for these devices (rather than getting a plane<br>
that already has something installed), we might need to look around a<br>
little.<br>
<br>
Also, don't forget the extra $500 or so yearly for the subscription.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W
<carlsonj@workingcode.com><br>
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