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<P>.<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Steve Gordon" <steve@media-phile.com><BR>To: eefc-core@workingcode.com<BR>Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:15:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: RE: Garmin 430W<BR><BR></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I haven’t used one before, but as I understand it, one nice feature is that you do not necessarily have to fiddle with the dial to tune to the proper frequency. The internal database has all of the relevant frequencies pre-programmed so that you simply push a button to, say, tune in to the ATIS or the tower freq of your destination airport. It helps to reduce workload. I for one would rather not find myself once again approaching my destination at night with a flashlight and an AFD trying to verify that I have the right pilot controlled lighting freq dialed in. Not to mention it’s a better use of panel real estate. IMHO, the fewer individual devices, the better.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I would love to see our plane equipped with a G430 or a KSN770, but maybe it’s too soon to make any real decision in that area. The options we have will largely depend on the particular aircraft we purchase. If we end up with a plane that has functional GPS and radios, then maybe we’d be better served by saving a $10K up-front hit and planning an upgrade in a year or two. If the plane <I>is</I> in need of a new GPS or radio, then we’ll have something to talk about.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bob sent me some sample aircraft and I’m almost done putting together the survey. I plan on finishing it by tomorrow evening. Hopefully we’ll know more about 976 by then, but if not I think we have more than enough information to send out the survey. Once we get some feedback regarding the amount of money our members are willing to spend I think we’ll know if we’re looking at an older 172, that beautiful Cardinal, or something in between. Then we can start tossing around actual aircraft and evaluate the necessary upgrades (including a GPS NAV/COM).</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Lysik<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> eefc-core@workingcode.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Garmin 430W</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">No radio, but we could put new radios in if we're going this far...</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Does the 696 do the same as the 430 to make the plane an IRF platform?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=mike.lysik@comcast.net href="mailto:mike.lysik@comcast.net" target=_blank>'Mike Lysik'</A> ; <A title=eefc-core@workingcode.com href="mailto:eefc-core@workingcode.com" target=_blank>eefc-core@workingcode.com</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:05 PM</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: Garmin 430W</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">For one thing….no radio</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com" target=_blank>eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com</A> [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Lysik<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:eefc-core@workingcode.com" target=_blank>eefc-core@workingcode.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Garmin 430W</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I guess I'll join in...I'm not an IFR rated pilot(but would use this plane to get the ticket), so I really haven't had a chance to think about a 430. I've done some looking around though. What about a Garmin 696? approx $3300 with a larger screen. Does it do the same as the 430?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=williammccann@comcast.net href="mailto:williammccann@comcast.net" target=_blank>williammccann@comcast.net</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=carlsonj@workingcode.com href="mailto:carlsonj@workingcode.com" target=_blank>James Carlson</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:40 AM</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Good morning ,</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The Garmin 430 looks a little more intimadating than it actually is . I've read the same reviews , but once you get familiar with the software, flight planning,setting waypoints and loading approaches, it's easy. Good point on the airways and the yearly data base.There wasn't too much feedback on the Garmin ,so I didn't mention the subsciption. If it came in a plane that we purchased outside of Eagle , it wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm sure everybody has there wish list , but if nothing else it's good for discussion.You can download the software if anybody's interested .Nice day to go flying!!!</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thanks</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "James Carlson" <carlsonj@workingcode.com><BR>To: "Bob Irving" <rhirving@verizon.net><BR>Cc: eefc-core@workingcode.com<BR>Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:13:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: Garmin 430W<BR><BR>Bob Irving writes:<BR>> We didn't spend much time talking about Bill's idea of a Garmin 430 so I<BR>> thought we could discuss it here.<BR>> <BR>> I think we should strongly consider adding this to whatever we buy. If we<BR>> buy a plane with 1 bad radio, we <BR>> <BR>> Can replace it with the 430. at much greater cost than a radio, however.<BR><BR>Yes, agreed.<BR><BR>For what it's worth, I've read reviews of the 430W that suggest that<BR>it's not terribly easy to use, due to the user interface and a lack of<BR>some key features (such as Victor airway routing). The 480 (around<BR>$3000 more) has a better user interface and features, but reportedly<BR>takes more time to learn to use.<BR><BR>For around the same price, there's the KSN 770, which seems to have<BR>better specs.<BR><BR>If we're going to shop for these devices (rather than getting a plane<BR>that already has something installed), we might need to look around a<BR>little.<BR><BR>Also, don't forget the extra $500 or so yearly for the subscription.<BR><BR>-- <BR>James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W <carlsonj@workingcode.com><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>eefc-core mailing list<BR>eefc-core@workingcode.com<BR>https://www.workingcode.com/mailman/listinfo/eefc-core</SPAN></P></DIV>
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