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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My idea for the survey was that for each price bracket, we would
gauge how many members our club can expect, and therefore how much the one-time
and monthly dues will be. For example, if only the seven of us are
interested in a Cardinal, then we’d know that we’ll each have to contribute
about $1,500 down and then about $200/month thereafter (assuming we’d
want to keep such a beautiful plane in a hangar). If, however, we find a
total of 15 interested members, we can cut those numbers in half making the
Cardinal a more affordable prospect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The survey contains three scenarios. One is a basic 172,
one is a 172 Hawk XP, and the third is the Cardinal. Under each option I
have an estimated cost structure (assuming 12 members) and the following
options:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>This would be my first choice. I would definitely
participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Not my first choice, but I would participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Undecided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Not interested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From our point of view, undecided might as well be not
interested, but it doesn’t leave the survey taker feeling like they’ve
burned their bridges in case they want to join later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am finishing up the survey now. When I’m done I’ll
send it out to the core group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-Steve<sub><o:p></o:p></sub></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com
[mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Irving<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 10, 2009 8:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Todd Brooks'; eefc-core@workingcode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: survey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree. And I like the SOMEWHAT/VERY MUCH/DEFINITELY and might
add NOPE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Todd Brooks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 10, 2009 8:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> eefc-core@workingcode.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: survey<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1. I think Mike is on the right track. And we will just
have to wait and see what Tim gets back to us with what he is proposing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. I guess I misunderstood the $40-50-60k survey. I
didn't realize that we were planning to ask the potential members this so
soon. I thought that was for our situational decision making. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I wouldn't ask the rest of them that right now,
personally. The first plane purchase should really be up to
us. Then we should tell them what we're doing and how it is going to
work based on some initial simple input, otherwise we'll get too
many opinions and noone will be happy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>At first I would simply ask something to the effect of:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1. Are you interested? SOMEWHAT / VERY
MUCH / DEFINITELY<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. Do you prefer High Wings or Low Wings? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3. What do you expect to be your price limit for
monthly dues and for rentals (plane types depending)?
$100/150/200 - $60/70/80/90<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Then ask for comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That's my two cents on this one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Fri, 4/10/09, Mike Lysik <i><mike.lysik@comcast.net></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Mike Lysik <mike.lysik@comcast.net><br>
Subject: Re: survey<br>
To: eefc-core@workingcode.com<br>
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 5:18 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Let's only send and reply to <a
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=eefc-core@workingcode.com">eefc-core@workingcode.com</a>
from now on. I'm <br>
getting double emails which make things more confusing than it has to be.<br>
<br>
I agree, let's wait for Tim's #, and go from there. My take on the <br>
financing was this...we agree on a final price including upgrades. We go
to <br>
a bank for a loan, and EE is the guarantor on the loan. We own the
plane, <br>
and EE gets paid the fair value of the plane in it's current state, plus the <br>
upgrades we're proposing.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "James Carlson" <<a
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carlsonj@workingcode.com">carlsonj@workingcode.com</a>><br>
To: "Bob Irving" <<a
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rhirving@verizon.net">rhirving@verizon.net</a>><br>
Cc: <<a
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=eefc-core@workingcode.com">eefc-core@workingcode.com</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:01 PM<br>
Subject: Re: survey<br>
<br>
<br>
> Bob Irving writes:<br>
>> Are we thinking that we will propose 3 different airplanes at
different<br>
>> price levels (40-50-60) and ask everyone to vote on what they want?
I <br>
>> think<br>
>> this approach would be a mistake. We will end up with 4 people
choosing<br>
>> option#1, 4 people choosing option#2, 3 choosing option#3, etc.
Nobody <br>
>> will<br>
>> be happy.<br>
><br>
> I would offer the three options and request that people say (for each<br>
> option):<br>
><br>
> - would prefer this one if it were chosen<br>
> - neither prefer nor reject<br>
> - would not join club if it were chosen<br>
><br>
> In other words, a vote of +1 / 0 / -1 on each plane. We can figure<br>
> the membership from the '-1' entries.. We need to eliminate from<br>
> consideration any plane that has so many '-1' votes that we don't have<br>
> enough people to continue, and eliminate from consideration for the<br>
> initial membership anyone who doesn't answer. We can figure the
plane<br>
> choice from the remaining votes and planes by looking at the '+1'<br>
> entries.<br>
><br>
> -- <br>
> James Carlson 42.703N
71.076W <<a
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carlsonj@workingcode.com">carlsonj@workingcode.com</a>><br>
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