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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Nothing new. No conversations with Tim.
Have a good time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>williammccann@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 17, 2009 6:42
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Time for a vote on
081?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm going out of town for a few
days. Any additional info { $ 1450 } on the flying club? Any mention to
Tim about the decisions of the core group?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Bill Mc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Bob Irving" <rhirving@verizon.net><br>
To: "Eagle East Flying Club Core Team"
<eefc-core@workingcode.com><br>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:11:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: RE: Time for a vote on 081?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I will send something out over the
weekend. Probably no sense delaying the agony. I fear that the initial
$1450 will be a deal killer for most so I will try to frame it as a
hypothetical. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bob </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Gordon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2009
11:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Time for a vote on
081?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I did about a third of my primary
training in 081. I have never had a problem with the radios except that
they are not digital – they are old style mechanical dials with no
flip-flop. Don’t know about the IFR standing, but I’d would expect a
fresh IFR certification from Eagle. VORs work fine. I’ve never shot
an approach in that aircraft. I would not want to do anything with the
paint if it’s just faded and ugly (not worth putting lipstick on that pig
IMO). If the paint is cracked or chipping, then we’d be foolish not
to paint. Good question about the 10 year time limit – don’t know.
It could be past TBO already. Don’t know about the prop. Mags are
replaced relatively frequently, are they not? I thought I read somewhere
that mags and vacuum pumps should be changed every 100 hours, but that sounds
excessive. Don’t know about the logs. The interior was in better
shape than 976 the last time I flew it (which was before 976 got a new seat
covers). I’d give it a 6-7 considering it’s a 35 year old plane.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Any of the concerns you raise could tip
the scales towards increasing our costs which already seem to be at or even
beyond our personal limits for this aircraft. My decision making was
predicated on the terms set forth by Sean and Tim: $38K with 15% down financed
for 5 years at 8.5%. At those terms I’d need to see at least 15 members
to share the costs and make it worthwhile for me. We can always offer
less for 081, but if we do we should probably be reasonably sure we want to
more forward if Eagle accepts the offer.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>What does all of this add up to?
Some of us are right on the border of their price tolerance for 081 and some of
us are already past their tolerance. Costs are more likely to go up than
go down before the end of the deal which will probably push some of us over our
tolerance. In my estimation it doesn’t look like 081 is going to be
feasible.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-Steve</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Irving<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2009
9:58 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Time for a vote on
081?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Maybe. But I’m not very comfortable with
our numbers on 081. Does anyone know anything about the radios? Is the aircraft
up to IFR standards. VOR/ILS/LOC all work? What are we going to do about the
paint? If the engine time is 1600 hrs, how many years has it been since a
major overhaul? (10 years is a time limit as well as 2000 hours.) Was it
a field overhaul or a factory remanufactured engine 1600 hrs ago? How much time
on the prop? When is the prod due for overhaul ? Is the prop
serviceable or has it been refinished too many times? How much time on
the mags? When do they need overhaul again? Are all the logs
available? What condition is the interior in? Are we willing to pay
$38,000? Are we willing to put 15% down? Are we willing to finance for
only 60 months? Are we willing to pay 8.5% interest to Eagle East? </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Gordon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2009
9:37 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Time for a vote on 081?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So we’re not faring much better than the
976 option. In order for 081 to work for me we’d need to recruit at least
15 members, and that doesn’t look likely. With at least 4 of the core
members out, we’re also looking at possibly too few people to run the
club. Do you think it’s worth reaching out to the bigger group to see if
there’s enough interest there?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Irving<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2009
9:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Time for a vote on
081?</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So far 4 no and 2 yes.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com [mailto:eefc-core-bounces@workingcode.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Gordon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2009
7:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Eagle East Flying Club Core
Team'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Time for a vote on 081?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>So far I’ve seen one yes (me) and one no
(Bob McAloon). Are we waiting on any more information, or is it time to
call in the votes on 081? I for one would like to know soon one way or
the other whether this is going to be feasible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>-Steve <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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